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hello and welcome to episode number 34

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of the point of convergence podcast

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as always i am your host exo academian

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there are a few cases in the lore of the

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ufo phenomenon that tend to get a

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disproportionate amount of attention

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when it comes to cases involving not

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just sightings of ufos slash uap

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but actual contact with non-human

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intelligences i.e aliens historically

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cases involving scary tales of humorless

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unfeeling and sometimes outright

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malevolent entities have tended to get a

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lot of as they say press

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but as we discussed in last week's

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episode

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evidence actually suggests positive

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encounters are more prevalent than

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negative ones

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especially when as we pointed out a few

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times now

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experiencers have the necessary time and

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perspective to be able to consider their

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experiences beyond the scope of the

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initial ontological shock

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now while the ontological shock is front

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and center for many in fact most and

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completely understandably so

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there do exist cases where people have

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positive encounters with these others

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from the outset with almost none of the

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usual fight flight response involved

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and when they do exist they often

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involve a very distinct kind of human

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being

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one such case is that of dorothy izat

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this case is one of my personal

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favorites for a variety of different

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first off the case involves an amazing

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degree of documentation

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indeed spanning over decades dorothy

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isaac in her quiet no-nonsense manner

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managed to capture literally thousands

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of feet of footage cataloging her

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encounters with a wide variety of

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entities

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secondly because the majority of this

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footage was captured on eight millimeter

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film and this happened before the

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proliferation of video editing software

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the footage is very difficult to dismiss

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and as i'm sure you would expect believe

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part of what surprises me to this day is

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that her footage is not studied and

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discussed more often considering these

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thirdly the footage itself is

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astonishing both in terms of quantity

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one particularly fascinating aspect of

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the footage involves how one frame of

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film will show lighted orbs in the sky

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and then the very next frame will show a

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bizarre array of zigzagging lines of

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light jumping all over the frame

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and then in the very next frame all

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you'll see once again are orbs like in

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the first of the three frames in other

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words the transformation is happening so

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quickly that all the human eye

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recognizes in real time is a flash

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finally a key aspect of what makes this

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figure of dorothy herself

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those who are lucky enough to have met

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her reported that she was a grounded

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down-to-earth soul not a seeker of

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attention whatsoever and someone who

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always exuded kindness wisdom and

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if character is a key component in

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evaluating these kinds of cases dorothy

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clearly passes with flying colors

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highly pertinent to this podcast and the

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inquiries we've been making not only

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into the nature of the ufo phenomenon

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but also into the ultimate nature of all

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is that dorothy's encounters were as

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diverse as they were astounding

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involving levels of contact that both

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included and that go far beyond the

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initial telepathic messages she received

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while first recording dazzling lights in

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the fascinating compelling and

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illuminating case of dorothy isaac is

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the topic of this the 34th episode of

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much of the material we'll be covering

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in this week's episode is from a book by

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peter guttila called contact with beings

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of light this is the story of dorothy

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some of the material is also from a

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movie that was based on the book called

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capturing the light the true story of

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dorothy isaac an alien contact he who

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has accumulated over thirty thousand

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feet of film footage backing her claim

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that is the actual name of the movie a

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now dorothy isaac was an amazing figure

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and she just died this past year january

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29th 2021 and she was born on september

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now like many experiencers dorothy's

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life was not without difficulty she

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lived through world war ii and had a

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very difficult time during that season

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later on because she had heard it is

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dorothy and her husband relocated to

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and she moved to a town called richmond

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now by the way prior to moving to canada

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dorothy and her husband were natives of

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now the first encounters dorothy began

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having were in the 1970s in richmond

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one like many of them was quite profound

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and surprising to say the least

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it began when dorothy was preparing to

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do her daily meditation

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quoting from the book quote

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with a sigh dorothy left the window lit

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a small candle on a nearby bureau and

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knelt quietly in meditation

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but this time it was different she

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recalled later

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while i was quieting my mind i had a

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most beautiful sensation it's hard to

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describe it was something i'd never

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known before like a great upsurge of

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love and happiness

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silently she lingered in the

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exhilaration of the experience until it

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ebbed slowly and was gone

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dorothy stood straightened her shoulders

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and suddenly felt bewildered now she had

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the strangest feeling she was being

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she walked across the room and peered

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out the window and drew a quick

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involuntary breath

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there bright and crystalline suspended

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in the middle of a clear patch of sky

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was a beautiful spinning object that

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looked like a huge diamond with a

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horizontal ring of lights revolving

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as she put it the object was magnificent

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and brilliantly lit by lights with a

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rotating disc of light at the base

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i couldn't believe what i was seeing

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momentarily doubting her senses she

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turned away and shut her eyes then

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looked back the sparkling object was no

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illusion it was definitely there

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dazzling and crisp and seemingly alive

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in her journal dorothy wrote then as if

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it had read my doubtful thoughts the

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crystal-like object began to dart in and

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out of clouds and i instantly had the

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impression it was giving me further

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proof it was real

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it really was quite wonderful to look at

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dorothy was powerfully captivated by the

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warm brilliance of the ufo there is

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something in it or coming from it that

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evoked feelings of elation optimism and

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expectation in her

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but the incident was also puzzling and

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more so when both the sensations and the

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object disappeared abruptly

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the sudden emptiness left her slightly

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confused but calm almost to the point of

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indifference it was odd she said i

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didn't feel any emotion about it i just

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turned from the window and went on with

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my chores as if the object had come and

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gone and that was the end of it

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dorothy didn't realize that her earlier

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feelings of blithe expectation were

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importance of things to come the

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unexpected adventure was far from over

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now in a moment we'll get to an event

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that happened later that same day that

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but first a couple comments about what

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number one you have again like we've

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discussed before in this podcast with

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the ufo phenomenon

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someone telepathically receiving

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messages from the others

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furthermore they were able to even

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control her mental and emotional state

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and even more than that what's

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interesting is as soon as they left both

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the feeling and the object in the sky

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disappeared simultaneously which again

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own experience and other experiences

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i've discussed before she had a strange

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response rather than being in shock and

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wonder at what she'd just seen she

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walked away as if it was no big deal and

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went about her chores again a strange

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choice of behavior based on what she had

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happened later that same day that

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evening and again this is from the book

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contact with beings of light by peter

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quoting from the book again quote

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it was almost seven o'clock dorothy

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remembered when an intense beam of light

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pierced the living room drapes and shone

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directly on me she got up quietly opened

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an enormous stationary ball of light in

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the sky low on the horizon

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the glowing ball was different from the

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spinning wheel she had seen earlier of

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this she was certain flashing brightly

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it hovered then started to wobble from

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became aware of something something

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mental communication she thought like it

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was touching and searching my mind i

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know i heard the words we are real we

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are here it is not your imagination

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despite the reassuring words of the

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eerie message dorothy was suspicious was

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this really something otherworldly was

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it communication or merely a trick of

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she decided to test herself and the

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mysterious light source together in one

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she got a flashlight and returned to the

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after a few seconds of staring at the

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object she said mentally if you can hear

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me please repeat what i'm going to do

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with my light

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she blinked the flashlight three times

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the object responded with three blinks

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to its right and three to its left she

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repeated test but this time she flashed

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the light above and below the object

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answered in kind

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finally dorothy zigzagged the beam of

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the flashlight and the ball of light

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zig-zagged from side to side

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following the initial exchange with

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dorothy's flashlight the glowing ball

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took on a life of its own it danced

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pulsated and maneuvered sharply back and

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this action and interaction gave dorothy

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was she letting her imagination get the

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best of her or was this the beginning of

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a new relationship with the unknown

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she tried to reason with herself to find

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some compromise between fantasy and fact

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but she could not deny what she was

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seeing

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the object the ufo the thing in the sky

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was anything but imaginary because it

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moved and responded intelligently it was

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real it had to be and the implication

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now reflecting on what i just read and

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reflecting on

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accounts from many people who've had

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experiences with the ufo phenomenon i'm

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always struck by how similar experiences

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are

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i know several people personally and

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have read many many accounts of people

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who have had contact with ufos and

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who've then demonstrated that they are

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intelligently controlled and that the

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intelligences behind these ufos are in

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contact with these people by doing

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things like dorothy did using a

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flashlight and asking them mentally

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telepathically to repeat a certain

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behavior

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even when they don't telepathically send

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that message some people just see a ufo

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start moving a flashlight around

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flashing it in different ways different

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manners and their actions are reflected

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to a t by these objects

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it really is astounding and it's

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interesting to see how dorothy like any

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one of us is testing her

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mental stability at this point she's

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wondering is this fantasy am i imagining

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this she goes through various tests to

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assure herself this is indeed real

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and now i'd like to read from an a

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subsequent experience she had and this

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one's very interesting and it will have

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implications for how she regarded these

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beings or at least some of them because

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again what's fascinating about her case

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beyond the

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30 000 feet footage of eight millimeter

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film that she captured is how diverse

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quoting from the book again quote that

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morning at four o'clock she was roused

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from a sound sleep by a warm beam of

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light and was again drawn to the window

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duncan

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stirred but didn't awaken

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and she thought better of disturbing him

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outside the beautiful bright ball was

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back but much closer than before so

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close in fact that it made the tops of

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tall trees sway from side to side in the

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otherwise windless morning air

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the ball hovered showing no signs of

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movement until in a bright burst one by

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one lights of various sizes and shapes

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poured from it in massive numbers

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even though the explosion of activity

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alarmed dorothy the feeling quickly

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subsided

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her curiosity was overwhelming and she

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was determined to watch more of the

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display

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duncan stirred fitfully in the bed

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turning and shifting as if he were

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trying to awaken but couldn't

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probably it was better that he didn't

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wake up given that his doubting nature

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might somehow interfere

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she was thinking this but she had never

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thought of it in that way before and she

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wasn't sure if the idea was hers or if

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it had come from somewhere else whatever

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its source it made sense unquote

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now there's a couple very interesting

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points in this section i just read from

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number one duncan her husband didn't

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awaken even though it suggested he was

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trying to awaken now of course we've

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read about this before these others seem

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to not only be able to control our

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perception our consciousness while we

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are experiencing them but they can also

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control others so that they stay dormant

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or asleep or whatever and that's what

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happened supposedly it seems like with

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her husband here

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secondly what's even more interesting is

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that the reasoning that's provided to

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dorothy a thought comes into her mind

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basically suggesting that his doubting

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nature will have a negative impact on

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the experience perhaps even dissolve the

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connection that allows her to experience

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these others

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again very fascinating and this touches

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on what we've discussed in recent

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podcast episodes where what we prime and

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experience with has a direct effect on

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what we end up experiencing

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and now jumping back into that incident

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covered in the book i quote

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at that moment dorothy heard or felt the

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words don't be afraid the message was

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followed by mental images of lighted

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probes gliding race-like through

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physical obstacles scanning the earth

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listening watching gathering detailed

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information of earth life and billions

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of luminous memories

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sorting storing and soaking in all the

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natural and man-made events of human

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history

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all of this came and was gone in seconds

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dorothy brought her hands to her face

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the onslaught was overpowering she had

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no idea what any of this meant or where

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the images came from and it drained her

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emotionally she took a deep breath

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stepped back from the window and leaned

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against the bedroom wall

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closing her eyes she stood for a minute

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and was suddenly overcome by a deep

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palpable calm

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she turned slowly to her right and

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looked up

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just outside the window a small white

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light appeared passed through the glass

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and glided toward her it stopped at eye

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level hovered momentarily then danced

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and darted around the room

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strange and utterly silent the little

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elf light was quite bright but cast no

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glare and produced no shadows

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moving in a smooth fluid motion toward

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the bookcase it hopped from book to book

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before leaving through the window in the

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direction of the bigger hovering light

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above the trees

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dorothy glanced at the bookcase

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wondering if they were scanning her

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books

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she tried to rouse duncan but he was

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sleeping soundly and she gave up after a

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few ineffective nudges

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then as the large light continued to

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hover in full command of its place in

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the sky dorothy had a sudden attack of

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anxiety the change was disorienting and

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in sharp contrast to her feelings of

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just minutes earlier for some reason

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which she later attributed to an

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instinctive fight-or-flight reflex it

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occurred to her that she might be

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watching the onset of an invasion

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she hurried to the phone and called the

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tower at the richmond airport and out of

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shyness or embarrassment she reported

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her sightings in minimum detail

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she asked if they had received any ufo

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reports presuming they must have gotten

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dozens considering the intensity of the

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display so close to a populated area

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the airport spokesman was polite but

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patronizing his tone implying she was

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either drunk or deluded or both we've

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had no reports of any ufos in the skies

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above richmond he said in a flat voice

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now what i love about the previous

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passage is how it covers in detail quite

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honestly what humans go through when

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they experience these kinds of events

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at first she's astonished and amazed and

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touched she sees how there seems to be a

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gentle way that this object responds to

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her by sending this smaller orb into her

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room

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but then fear creeps in and when she

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sees this thing jumping from book to

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book rather than seeing that as playful

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she wonders if it is scanning and then

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suddenly she even wonders in retrospect

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if a fight-or-flight kind of response

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kicked in and she suddenly wondered if

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this was the onset of an invasion force

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now again what's also fascinating

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is that dorothy assumed other people

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were seeing this too she didn't assume

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she was special

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she saw these things and what she

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assumed was consensus reality objective

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reality in the skies outside of her

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house and if she was seeing all of this

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activity she assumed other people in

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richmond and the other areas of

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vancouver would be seeing it as well so

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being a good citizen and wanting to be

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part of a larger

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unit of consciousness she ends up

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calling the airport to find out if other

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people are also experiencing this

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she finds out they are not and actually

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she's patronized for even assuming such

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a thing could take place

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very interesting it shows her human side

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and in quick order in quick succession

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demonstrates how all of us tend to

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respond when we have these

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now as i just mentioned dorothy assumed

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at this point that other people were

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seeing these objects

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quickly she realized though that people

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were not her family members weren't her

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neighbors weren't the airport authority

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wasn't noticing anything either

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so then she began to wonder why me

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how am i involved in this and why

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well in a later exchange with these

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others she got some answers they

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communicated to her telepathically about

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their ultimate intention and aims why

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they were there and why they had chosen

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her to be involved in the process

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quoting from the book again quote

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at nine o'clock the visitors were back

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this time dozens of small luminous

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diamonds hovered wriggled and played in

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the sky as dorothy again watched at the

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bedroom window

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from the outset she was bathed in a

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feeling of warmth which was both

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physical and visceral the vague fears

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and pressures faded amid the glowing

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splendor of the lights

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unable to resist the temptation she

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asked aloud what are you doing here what

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do you want

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there was a brief shimmer of amethyst

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colored light and the utterance we are

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observing we see we hear

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dorothy heard the words in her mind but

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they seemed to be audible as well and

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she remembered wondering how it was that

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they spoke english the response was

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instant and to the point no language is

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necessary we speak through the mind

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clearly a deliberate and equal

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communication was taking place there was

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nothing tentative or ambiguous in the

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exchange and dorothy realized the

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significance of what had occurred she

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had never thought of herself as

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telepathic but the words of the visitors

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were distinct it was as if she had been

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talking to somebody standing next to her

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in the room this was far

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more than a minor revelation because it

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implied the visitors could communicate

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directly with the mind which carried the

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further implication of an utter lack of

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privacy

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deception was a way of life for human

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beings taught from the cradle to the

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grave to mask their true feelings to

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never reveal too much about themselves

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could the visitors detect secret

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thoughts attitudes emotional states and

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perhaps character

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dorothy asked this question and the

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answer was as she wrote later expectedly

562
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consistent they told me that just to

563
00:21:58,789 --> 00:21:56,559
look at people to invade their privacy

564
00:22:00,230 --> 00:21:58,799
was not their purpose and was of no

565
00:22:01,750 --> 00:22:00,240
interest to them

566
00:22:04,070 --> 00:22:01,760
they've been watching the planet for

567
00:22:07,750 --> 00:22:04,080
eons and are well aware of the way

568
00:22:10,710 --> 00:22:07,760
people behave which they find appalling

569
00:22:13,029 --> 00:22:10,720
their purpose was and is to focus on the

570
00:22:14,549 --> 00:22:13,039
direction and eventual evolution of

571
00:22:17,110 --> 00:22:14,559
mankind

572
00:22:18,549 --> 00:22:17,120
dorothy also asked why me what do you

573
00:22:21,029 --> 00:22:18,559
want of me

574
00:22:23,110 --> 00:22:21,039
they said they knew me from long ago and

575
00:22:23,830 --> 00:22:23,120
were familiar with the kind of person i

576
00:22:25,750 --> 00:22:23,840
am

577
00:22:27,750 --> 00:22:25,760
it's a person's total being and

578
00:22:29,909 --> 00:22:27,760
character that determines whether a

579
00:22:31,909 --> 00:22:29,919
communication takes place

580
00:22:34,149 --> 00:22:31,919
if the right qualities aren't there

581
00:22:36,149 --> 00:22:34,159
people won't see them or if they do

582
00:22:38,470 --> 00:22:36,159
they'll be terrified of them or try to

583
00:22:39,669 --> 00:22:38,480
explain them in some way that fits their

584
00:22:41,510 --> 00:22:39,679
own beliefs

585
00:22:46,310 --> 00:22:41,520
all this is determined by the state of

586
00:22:49,750 --> 00:22:47,750
now what we just read was very

587
00:22:52,310 --> 00:22:49,760
illuminating we've discussed this on

588
00:22:54,630 --> 00:22:52,320
previous podcasts how what we bring to

589
00:22:57,350 --> 00:22:54,640
these experiences ends up impacting what

590
00:22:59,590 --> 00:22:57,360
we ultimately experience

591
00:23:01,190 --> 00:22:59,600
according to doherty here many people

592
00:23:03,190 --> 00:23:01,200
don't even have these experiences

593
00:23:05,430 --> 00:23:03,200
because their predetermined models of

594
00:23:07,990 --> 00:23:05,440
reality their paradigms

595
00:23:09,590 --> 00:23:08,000
about reality prevent them from seeing

596
00:23:11,510 --> 00:23:09,600
these things

597
00:23:13,510 --> 00:23:11,520
now whether or not you believe dorothy

598
00:23:16,310 --> 00:23:13,520
there is mounting evidence as far as i

599
00:23:18,390 --> 00:23:16,320
can tell when i pay attention to the

600
00:23:20,789 --> 00:23:18,400
compendium of the data

601
00:23:23,110 --> 00:23:20,799
that this really is true that what we

602
00:23:25,510 --> 00:23:23,120
bring to these experiences matters and

603
00:23:28,149 --> 00:23:25,520
if we have a model of reality that

604
00:23:30,950 --> 00:23:28,159
simply excludes the possibility then

605
00:23:34,230 --> 00:23:30,960
often this will actually prevent us from

606
00:23:37,110 --> 00:23:34,240
seeing these things and even if we do we

607
00:23:38,950 --> 00:23:37,120
will often quickly dismiss them

608
00:23:40,789 --> 00:23:38,960
very important and it's important to

609
00:23:42,310 --> 00:23:40,799
keep all of this in mind

610
00:23:44,310 --> 00:23:42,320
when we think about the different

611
00:23:46,950 --> 00:23:44,320
factors that impact what kind of

612
00:23:48,830 --> 00:23:46,960
experiences people have and who has

613
00:23:52,470 --> 00:23:48,840
these experiences

614
00:23:54,630 --> 00:23:52,480
ultimately now speaking of responses to

615
00:23:56,470 --> 00:23:54,640
these experiences

616
00:23:58,470 --> 00:23:56,480
dorothy began to have some negative

617
00:24:00,230 --> 00:23:58,480
reactions from those around her from her

618
00:24:02,470 --> 00:24:00,240
family from her friends

619
00:24:05,190 --> 00:24:02,480
she came from a catholic background and

620
00:24:07,830 --> 00:24:05,200
she began to get religious backlash

621
00:24:09,430 --> 00:24:07,840
when she started sharing her experiences

622
00:24:11,269 --> 00:24:09,440
and let's quote from the book again

623
00:24:13,510 --> 00:24:11,279
quote

624
00:24:15,590 --> 00:24:13,520
dorothy isaac's nightly encounters with

625
00:24:16,789 --> 00:24:15,600
the visitors continued unabated for

626
00:24:18,710 --> 00:24:16,799
several weeks

627
00:24:20,789 --> 00:24:18,720
each time they came something new was

628
00:24:23,190 --> 00:24:20,799
learned it was in her words an

629
00:24:25,750 --> 00:24:23,200
enlightenment of immense grandeur and

630
00:24:28,390 --> 00:24:25,760
depth it was also beautiful

631
00:24:30,549 --> 00:24:28,400
but there was an unforeseen backlash

632
00:24:32,789 --> 00:24:30,559
between periods of contact dorothy

633
00:24:35,029 --> 00:24:32,799
discussed her experiences with others

634
00:24:36,310 --> 00:24:35,039
and that was as it turned out a serious

635
00:24:38,470 --> 00:24:36,320
mistake

636
00:24:40,630 --> 00:24:38,480
well-intentioned friends mostly those of

637
00:24:43,110 --> 00:24:40,640
strong religious convictions felt

638
00:24:45,190 --> 00:24:43,120
obliged to warn her about demons and

639
00:24:47,669 --> 00:24:45,200
evil and the potential for sinister

640
00:24:50,230 --> 00:24:47,679
motives behind the outwardly benign

641
00:24:51,990 --> 00:24:50,240
behavior of the visitors

642
00:24:53,750 --> 00:24:52,000
at first i didn't pay much attention to

643
00:24:55,990 --> 00:24:53,760
those comments from other people she

644
00:24:58,070 --> 00:24:56,000
said but it must have got to me because

645
00:25:00,870 --> 00:24:58,080
thoughts of demons and evil

646
00:25:03,350 --> 00:25:00,880
doings began to torment me and interrupt

647
00:25:06,230 --> 00:25:03,360
my communications with the lights

648
00:25:08,070 --> 00:25:06,240
i know they sensed my doubt and anxiety

649
00:25:11,029 --> 00:25:08,080
dorothy realized that once fear and

650
00:25:13,669 --> 00:25:11,039
hostility or doubt weakened the rapport

651
00:25:15,830 --> 00:25:13,679
the communication was degraded it was

652
00:25:17,990 --> 00:25:15,840
clear to her that the light beings as

653
00:25:19,669 --> 00:25:18,000
she would come to call them were aware

654
00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:19,679
of the change because the overall

655
00:25:23,830 --> 00:25:21,760
vitality of the communications

656
00:25:25,430 --> 00:25:23,840
diminished as though the bond had been

657
00:25:28,310 --> 00:25:25,440
suddenly breached

658
00:25:30,950 --> 00:25:28,320
at the same time apparitions or lower

659
00:25:34,070 --> 00:25:30,960
order beings whose nature and affect

660
00:25:36,310 --> 00:25:34,080
were intensely uncomfortable showed up

661
00:25:38,789 --> 00:25:36,320
dorothy could not identify the intruders

662
00:25:41,750 --> 00:25:38,799
or presences but frequently felt their

663
00:25:44,310 --> 00:25:41,760
emanations occasionally glimpsing cold

664
00:25:46,549 --> 00:25:44,320
black indistinct shapes that exhibited a

665
00:25:48,390 --> 00:25:46,559
distinct aversion to light

666
00:25:50,950 --> 00:25:48,400
she was never given to thinking about

667
00:25:53,110 --> 00:25:50,960
ghosts or phantasms but the presences

668
00:25:55,430 --> 00:25:53,120
were definitely ghost-like preferring

669
00:25:57,990 --> 00:25:55,440
darkness and always scurrying into the

670
00:25:59,029 --> 00:25:58,000
shadows whenever she turned on the house

671
00:26:01,110 --> 00:25:59,039
lights

672
00:26:03,110 --> 00:26:01,120
dorothy quickly pieced together the

673
00:26:05,350 --> 00:26:03,120
connection between light aversion and

674
00:26:07,510 --> 00:26:05,360
the nature of the negativity she had

675
00:26:10,070 --> 00:26:07,520
allowed to enter her mind

676
00:26:12,230 --> 00:26:10,080
lower forces hate light she was told by

677
00:26:14,390 --> 00:26:12,240
the light beings and it occurred to her

678
00:26:17,110 --> 00:26:14,400
that those who sought to infect her with

679
00:26:19,830 --> 00:26:17,120
fear were themselves being influenced by

680
00:26:22,149 --> 00:26:19,840
the lower forces it was an unpleasant

681
00:26:24,630 --> 00:26:22,159
thought and a dismal commentary on the

682
00:26:26,549 --> 00:26:24,640
human condition she had to free herself

683
00:26:28,870 --> 00:26:26,559
from the destructive sway of the people

684
00:26:31,430 --> 00:26:28,880
around her even those who claimed to

685
00:26:34,149 --> 00:26:31,440
have her best interests at heart

686
00:26:39,590 --> 00:26:37,110
now that last section really was the

687
00:26:40,390 --> 00:26:39,600
mother lode the gold mine when it comes

688
00:26:44,390 --> 00:26:40,400
to

689
00:26:47,110 --> 00:26:44,400
discussing recently in fact it feels

690
00:26:48,149 --> 00:26:47,120
synchronistic that i came across this

691
00:26:49,750 --> 00:26:48,159
recently

692
00:26:51,430 --> 00:26:49,760
after what we've talked about in recent

693
00:26:53,190 --> 00:26:51,440
podcasts

694
00:26:55,430 --> 00:26:53,200
again we've talked about what we bring

695
00:26:57,590 --> 00:26:55,440
to the experiences and how that ends up

696
00:26:58,789 --> 00:26:57,600
impacting the ultimate nature of the

697
00:27:01,590 --> 00:26:58,799
experience

698
00:27:04,149 --> 00:27:01,600
we even discussed how our intentionality

699
00:27:07,430 --> 00:27:04,159
our degree of positivity or negativity

700
00:27:10,230 --> 00:27:07,440
our degree of fear or faith

701
00:27:13,029 --> 00:27:10,240
really impacts the events even impacts

702
00:27:15,510 --> 00:27:13,039
the kinds of entities we ultimately end

703
00:27:18,070 --> 00:27:15,520
up encountering that's exactly what

704
00:27:20,950 --> 00:27:18,080
dorothy is describing here and she

705
00:27:23,750 --> 00:27:20,960
experienced both this is very telling

706
00:27:24,630 --> 00:27:23,760
when she was positive hopeful her usual

707
00:27:27,510 --> 00:27:24,640
state

708
00:27:30,149 --> 00:27:27,520
she was communicated to by the

709
00:27:32,389 --> 00:27:30,159
light beings when she began to let fear

710
00:27:35,350 --> 00:27:32,399
creep in and negativity and began

711
00:27:37,909 --> 00:27:35,360
wondering about evil then suddenly a

712
00:27:40,310 --> 00:27:37,919
different kind of entity altogether dark

713
00:27:42,630 --> 00:27:40,320
beings scurrying around and she

714
00:27:45,909 --> 00:27:42,640
recognized a direct connection between

715
00:27:48,630 --> 00:27:45,919
her intentionality her belief system and

716
00:27:51,110 --> 00:27:48,640
the nature of what was manifesting this

717
00:27:55,590 --> 00:27:51,120
really does demonstrate how much a role

718
00:28:00,230 --> 00:27:57,909
now dorothy quickly learned this lesson

719
00:28:02,389 --> 00:28:00,240
about manifestation and how it is tied

720
00:28:04,870 --> 00:28:02,399
to her state of being

721
00:28:07,110 --> 00:28:04,880
quoting from the book again quote it did

722
00:28:09,990 --> 00:28:07,120
not take long for dorothy to grasp what

723
00:28:12,630 --> 00:28:10,000
was happening she summed it up thus

724
00:28:15,269 --> 00:28:12,640
we are where we dwell when we live in a

725
00:28:16,470 --> 00:28:15,279
state of fear dread suspicion that's

726
00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:16,480
what we receive

727
00:28:20,870 --> 00:28:18,480
it's really just that simple

728
00:28:22,549 --> 00:28:20,880
with a conscious effort dorothy was able

729
00:28:25,750 --> 00:28:22,559
to rid herself of the encroaching

730
00:28:28,070 --> 00:28:25,760
negativity the presences vanished and

731
00:28:30,389 --> 00:28:28,080
eventually a high level of communication

732
00:28:32,630 --> 00:28:30,399
was re-established it was a bitter

733
00:28:35,510 --> 00:28:32,640
lesson but the guiding principle of

734
00:28:37,830 --> 00:28:35,520
positive mind innocent heart became her

735
00:28:40,310 --> 00:28:37,840
newly acquired rule of thumb and her

736
00:28:42,470 --> 00:28:40,320
general recommendation to others

737
00:28:45,110 --> 00:28:42,480
particularly if they wanted to share in

738
00:28:48,630 --> 00:28:45,120
her experiences either directly or

739
00:28:50,630 --> 00:28:48,640
indirectly unquote

740
00:28:52,789 --> 00:28:50,640
now from my point of view this case

741
00:28:55,990 --> 00:28:52,799
hasn't got nearly enough attention

742
00:28:58,710 --> 00:28:56,000
within ufology and again i think this

743
00:29:01,750 --> 00:28:58,720
points to a bias a prejudice within

744
00:29:04,310 --> 00:29:01,760
ufology to look to only certain kinds of

745
00:29:07,029 --> 00:29:04,320
cases i think groups like mufon have

746
00:29:09,750 --> 00:29:07,039
been guilty of this in the past

747
00:29:12,470 --> 00:29:09,760
now interestingly historically one of

748
00:29:15,190 --> 00:29:12,480
the main figures in ufology got involved

749
00:29:16,789 --> 00:29:15,200
with dorothy's case and he was convinced

750
00:29:19,590 --> 00:29:16,799
of its legitimacy

751
00:29:22,549 --> 00:29:19,600
here i speak of j allen heineck the

752
00:29:25,269 --> 00:29:22,559
godfather of ufology you might call him

753
00:29:28,070 --> 00:29:25,279
he met with dorothy many times was also

754
00:29:31,430 --> 00:29:28,080
convinced of her credibility and was

755
00:29:34,470 --> 00:29:31,440
amazed astounded by the credibility of

756
00:29:36,950 --> 00:29:34,480
her footage he examined it forensically

757
00:29:38,830 --> 00:29:36,960
and was convinced that it was legitimate

758
00:29:41,750 --> 00:29:38,840
and she was capturing something

759
00:29:44,149 --> 00:29:41,760
otherworldly in fact he talked to her

760
00:29:46,389 --> 00:29:44,159
about dimension hopping beings coming

761
00:29:47,990 --> 00:29:46,399
from different dimensions he had no

762
00:29:50,310 --> 00:29:48,000
problem discussing these matters with

763
00:29:52,950 --> 00:29:50,320
her which was a great relief to her to

764
00:29:56,070 --> 00:29:52,960
have a scientist of his credibility

765
00:30:00,149 --> 00:29:57,750
now i highly recommend you read this

766
00:30:02,789 --> 00:30:00,159
book contact with beings of light it

767
00:30:04,630 --> 00:30:02,799
documents many of dorothy's encounters

768
00:30:07,029 --> 00:30:04,640
and many of her abilities to perceive

769
00:30:09,350 --> 00:30:07,039
things beyond the usual spectrum

770
00:30:11,269 --> 00:30:09,360
of what's normal for human beings it's

771
00:30:12,230 --> 00:30:11,279
very fascinating and it's covered in the

772
00:30:14,230 --> 00:30:12,240
book

773
00:30:16,789 --> 00:30:14,240
i'd also highly recommend you watch the

774
00:30:18,149 --> 00:30:16,799
movie based on the book because some

775
00:30:21,510 --> 00:30:18,159
things happen in that movie

776
00:30:24,070 --> 00:30:21,520
spontaneously which are quite astounding

777
00:30:26,070 --> 00:30:24,080
one particular event i'll share with you

778
00:30:28,470 --> 00:30:26,080
while they are interviewing dorothy's

779
00:30:30,630 --> 00:30:28,480
daughter about her mother

780
00:30:32,789 --> 00:30:30,640
the daughter is standing in the kitchen

781
00:30:35,669 --> 00:30:32,799
while they're filming this movie and

782
00:30:37,830 --> 00:30:35,679
behind the daughter outside the window

783
00:30:40,549 --> 00:30:37,840
a light suddenly appears and starts

784
00:30:42,310 --> 00:30:40,559
darting back and forth behind the hair

785
00:30:43,669 --> 00:30:42,320
and the head of the daughter who's being

786
00:30:46,549 --> 00:30:43,679
interviewed

787
00:30:48,870 --> 00:30:46,559
very fascinating the family all watched

788
00:30:50,710 --> 00:30:48,880
the film later on and even her doubting

789
00:30:52,630 --> 00:30:50,720
family members were shocked because they

790
00:30:54,789 --> 00:30:52,640
could not explain this light that was

791
00:30:56,630 --> 00:30:54,799
appearing behind the daughter who was an

792
00:30:59,110 --> 00:30:56,640
adult daughter by the way who is being

793
00:30:59,909 --> 00:30:59,120
interviewed very fascinating they tried

794
00:31:03,190 --> 00:30:59,919
to

795
00:31:05,029 --> 00:31:03,200
figure out if it could be car lights or

796
00:31:07,750 --> 00:31:05,039
something else in the distance

797
00:31:10,389 --> 00:31:07,760
nothing fit the description it really

798
00:31:13,029 --> 00:31:10,399
did seem to be these others manifesting

799
00:31:15,190 --> 00:31:13,039
on film in real time while they were

800
00:31:17,190 --> 00:31:15,200
filming this movie i highly recommend

801
00:31:18,950 --> 00:31:17,200
you watch it

802
00:31:22,389 --> 00:31:18,960
and by the way the name of the movie

803
00:31:24,070 --> 00:31:22,399
based on the book is capturing the light

804
00:31:25,990 --> 00:31:24,080
and now i'd like to leave you with a few

805
00:31:28,310 --> 00:31:26,000
additional thoughts

806
00:31:30,710 --> 00:31:28,320
number one dorothy mentioned she had

807
00:31:33,269 --> 00:31:30,720
encountered the small graves and she

808
00:31:35,269 --> 00:31:33,279
actually learned that they were androids

809
00:31:37,509 --> 00:31:35,279
and she says that their straight get to

810
00:31:39,269 --> 00:31:37,519
the point humorlessness and lack of

811
00:31:40,950 --> 00:31:39,279
emotional affect

812
00:31:43,590 --> 00:31:40,960
that had caused many people to feel

813
00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:43,600
unnerved was based on their programmed

814
00:31:46,630 --> 00:31:44,880
kind of nature

815
00:31:48,549 --> 00:31:46,640
and part of the reason why the small

816
00:31:51,110 --> 00:31:48,559
grays interact with people a lot

817
00:31:53,029 --> 00:31:51,120
according to her is because we are the

818
00:31:55,830 --> 00:31:53,039
dangerous ones and some of these others

819
00:31:57,990 --> 00:31:55,840
don't feel safe around us because of our

820
00:31:58,830 --> 00:31:58,000
sudden reactions our fight-or-flight

821
00:32:01,350 --> 00:31:58,840
kind of

822
00:32:03,669 --> 00:32:01,360
reactions she also mentions that she

823
00:32:05,190 --> 00:32:03,679
distinguished two distinct groups that

824
00:32:07,830 --> 00:32:05,200
she encountered

825
00:32:10,470 --> 00:32:07,840
one was a group of ets and actually she

826
00:32:12,870 --> 00:32:10,480
encountered different kinds of ets some

827
00:32:14,789 --> 00:32:12,880
were quite biological like us others

828
00:32:17,350 --> 00:32:14,799
were more like light beings but they

829
00:32:19,110 --> 00:32:17,360
were still extraterrestrial creatures

830
00:32:21,590 --> 00:32:19,120
just like us

831
00:32:23,350 --> 00:32:21,600
but she also mentions

832
00:32:25,269 --> 00:32:23,360
encounters with what she calls the

833
00:32:27,909 --> 00:32:25,279
beings of light and she really does see

834
00:32:30,630 --> 00:32:27,919
these as more angelic in nature not

835
00:32:32,950 --> 00:32:30,640
dogmatically angelic-like in the

836
00:32:34,630 --> 00:32:32,960
biblical understanding so much

837
00:32:37,110 --> 00:32:34,640
in terms of being tied to a creation

838
00:32:39,750 --> 00:32:37,120
story about god and satan and all that

839
00:32:41,990 --> 00:32:39,760
but more that they are agents of the

840
00:32:43,830 --> 00:32:42,000
cosmic intelligence at their center of

841
00:32:45,909 --> 00:32:43,840
everything and they are doing the

842
00:32:47,509 --> 00:32:45,919
bidding of this

843
00:32:49,269 --> 00:32:47,519
central intelligence

844
00:32:51,350 --> 00:32:49,279
and that they are here to help human

845
00:32:53,430 --> 00:32:51,360
beings and the ones that she encountered

846
00:32:58,230 --> 00:32:53,440
that are consistently positive and

847
00:33:00,070 --> 00:32:58,240
illuminating are these beings of light

848
00:33:02,310 --> 00:33:00,080
i would just like to add to that that my

849
00:33:05,029 --> 00:33:02,320
own research suggests this may very well

850
00:33:07,909 --> 00:33:05,039
be true that there are extraterrestrials

851
00:33:09,509 --> 00:33:07,919
visiting us some of them are

852
00:33:12,310 --> 00:33:09,519
visiting us from within our own

853
00:33:13,509 --> 00:33:12,320
space-time kind of reality

854
00:33:15,430 --> 00:33:13,519
meaning they're coming from different

855
00:33:16,789 --> 00:33:15,440
planets within our physical universe

856
00:33:18,470 --> 00:33:16,799
others may be

857
00:33:20,230 --> 00:33:18,480
interdimensional hopping across

858
00:33:20,950 --> 00:33:20,240
different dimensions and able to visit

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00:33:24,870 --> 00:33:20,960
us

860
00:33:27,669 --> 00:33:24,880
but there are also these beings that

861
00:33:28,710 --> 00:33:27,679
dorothy refers to as beings of light who

862
00:33:30,789 --> 00:33:28,720
may be

863
00:33:32,470 --> 00:33:30,799
extra dimensional and by that i mean

864
00:33:34,870 --> 00:33:32,480
they are not part of our space-time

865
00:33:37,590 --> 00:33:34,880
matrix whatsoever

866
00:33:39,909 --> 00:33:37,600
they may very well be agents of this

867
00:33:42,710 --> 00:33:39,919
cosmic intelligence who are doing the

868
00:33:44,470 --> 00:33:42,720
bidding of this cosmic intelligence

869
00:33:46,230 --> 00:33:44,480
intimately connected to that cosmic

870
00:33:48,310 --> 00:33:46,240
intelligence these are the benevolent

871
00:33:50,710 --> 00:33:48,320
entities that people have reported

872
00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:50,720
throughout history now we've created

873
00:33:54,310 --> 00:33:52,480
dogmas around them we've formed

874
00:33:56,870 --> 00:33:54,320
religions around experiences with some

875
00:33:58,870 --> 00:33:56,880
of these others but nevertheless this is

876
00:34:01,350 --> 00:33:58,880
who they are at the core

877
00:34:04,830 --> 00:34:01,360
and you'll notice earlier on i read an

878
00:34:07,830 --> 00:34:04,840
account where they told dorothy don't be

879
00:34:09,829 --> 00:34:07,840
afraid interestingly this is what angels

880
00:34:10,790 --> 00:34:09,839
frequently tell human beings in the

881
00:34:12,310 --> 00:34:10,800
bible

882
00:34:13,589 --> 00:34:12,320
you might wonder why would people be

883
00:34:15,030 --> 00:34:13,599
afraid they're encountering this

884
00:34:16,310 --> 00:34:15,040
beautiful creature that seems to be

885
00:34:17,909 --> 00:34:16,320
benevolent

886
00:34:20,230 --> 00:34:17,919
it's because of the

887
00:34:22,230 --> 00:34:20,240
ontological shock it happened even then

888
00:34:24,389 --> 00:34:22,240
of course these are still human beings

889
00:34:26,790 --> 00:34:24,399
having otherworldly experiences

890
00:34:28,790 --> 00:34:26,800
these may very well be cases of the same

891
00:34:31,909 --> 00:34:28,800
beings these beings of light that

892
00:34:34,470 --> 00:34:31,919
dorothy is referencing

893
00:34:36,710 --> 00:34:34,480
now speaking of these particular others

894
00:34:38,149 --> 00:34:36,720
these beings of light these angelic

895
00:34:39,909 --> 00:34:38,159
entities

896
00:34:42,230 --> 00:34:39,919
what they are effectively is saying to

897
00:34:44,550 --> 00:34:42,240
us according to dorothy is that our

898
00:34:47,349 --> 00:34:44,560
ability to see and communicate freely

899
00:34:50,629 --> 00:34:47,359
and openly with them is really all up to

900
00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:50,639
us they are not being standoffish that

901
00:34:55,909 --> 00:34:53,280
would be a misreading of the situation

902
00:34:58,150 --> 00:34:55,919
this really is about non-compatibility

903
00:35:00,150 --> 00:34:58,160
based on our current center of gravity

904
00:35:01,750 --> 00:35:00,160
in terms of consciousness

905
00:35:03,510 --> 00:35:01,760
while that may be frustrating and

906
00:35:06,310 --> 00:35:03,520
disappointing to some

907
00:35:08,390 --> 00:35:06,320
on the other hand the implication is

908
00:35:10,630 --> 00:35:08,400
not only is a future contact and

909
00:35:13,670 --> 00:35:10,640
communion with these transcendent others

910
00:35:16,470 --> 00:35:13,680
possible but if and when we eventually

911
00:35:17,750 --> 00:35:16,480
choose a path that is truly cooperative

912
00:35:19,349 --> 00:35:17,760
and peaceful

913
00:35:22,069 --> 00:35:19,359
centered on a sense of cosmic

914
00:35:24,870 --> 00:35:22,079
connectivity and oneness then it is

915
00:35:26,150 --> 00:35:24,880
actually inevitable and as i'm sure we

916
00:35:28,470 --> 00:35:26,160
can all agree

917
00:35:32,230 --> 00:35:28,480
may that day come sooner rather than

918
00:35:36,390 --> 00:35:34,630
and on that note we've come to the close

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of another edition of the point of

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00:35:39,510 --> 00:35:38,240
convergence podcast

921
00:35:41,910 --> 00:35:39,520
as always

922
00:35:43,030 --> 00:35:41,920
let's keep this conversation going and

923
00:35:45,109 --> 00:35:43,040
growing

924
00:35:46,950 --> 00:35:45,119
but until next time friends from deep

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00:35:50,069 --> 00:35:46,960
within the blue ridge mountains of north

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carolina this is exo academian signing